Question #31703

A ball thrown down from the top of a tower takes time t1 to reach the ground. It takes time t2 to reach
the ground if it is thrown from the same point with the same speed in the upward direction. Show that the
time it will take to fall freely to the ground from the top of the tower is
(t1t2)^1/2
. (Neglect air resistance)

Expert's answer

Question 31703

1. First, let us consider the case when the initial velocity is directed downwards. Let ν0\nu_{0} denote the latter one. Hence, if vertical axis is directed upwards, the law of motion will be hν0t1gt122=0h - \nu_{0}t_{1} - \frac{gt_{1}^{2}}{2} = 0 (knowing that t1t_{1} is given time).

2. Secondly, let us consider the case when the initial velocity is directed upwards. First, the body will move upwards until its velocity becomes zero. Let the time needed for this be tt' and the height above initial height be h1h_1 . Then, for full stop v=v0gt=0t=v0gv = v_0 - gt' = 0 \Rightarrow t' = \frac{v_0}{g} , and height h1h_1 is h1=v0tgt22=v022gh_1 = v_0 t' - g \frac{t'^2}{2} = \frac{v_0^2}{2g} (using previous formula for tt' ). After reaching maximum height ( h+h1h + h_1 ) and stop, body will move downwards with no initial velocity for some time tt'' . The latter one is t=2(h+h1)g=2g(h+v022g)t'' = \sqrt{2 \frac{(h + h_1)}{g}} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{g} \left( h + \frac{v_0^2}{2g} \right)} .

Full time of motion in case of initial velocity directed upwards is t2=t+t=v0g+2g(h+v022g)t_2 = t' + t'' = \frac{v_0}{g} + \sqrt{\frac{2}{g} \left( h + \frac{v_0^2}{2g} \right)} .

In case of motion from height hh with no initial velocity, time is t=2hgt = \sqrt{2\frac{h}{g}} .

From points 1 and 2 one has following equations:

a) hv0t1gt122=0h - v_{0}t_{1} - \frac{gt_{1}^{2}}{2} = 0

b) t2=t+t=v0g+2g(h+v022g)t_2 = t' + t'' = \frac{v_0}{g} + \sqrt{\frac{2}{g} \left( h + \frac{v_0^2}{2g} \right)}

Let us solve b) for ν0\nu_{0} and plug it into a).


2g(h+v022g)=t222t2v0g+v02g2 from where v0=g2t2(t222hg).\frac {2}{g} \left(h + \frac {v _ {0} ^ {2}}{2 g}\right) = t _ {2} ^ {2} - 2 t _ {2} \frac {v _ {0}}{g} + \frac {v _ {0} ^ {2}}{g ^ {2}} \text{ from where } v _ {0} = \frac {g}{2 t _ {2}} \left(t _ {2} ^ {2} - \frac {2 h}{g}\right).


Now, plug latter formula for ν0\nu_{0} into a):


hg2t2(t222hg)t1gt122=0, from here h(t1+t2t2)=gt122+gt1t22=g2(t12+t1t2).h - \frac {g}{2 t _ {2}} \left(t _ {2} ^ {2} - \frac {2 h}{g}\right) t _ {1} - \frac {g t _ {1} ^ {2}}{2} = 0, \text{ from here } h \left(\frac {t _ {1} + t _ {2}}{t _ {2}}\right) = \frac {g t _ {1} ^ {2}}{2} + \frac {g t _ {1} t _ {2}}{2} = \frac {g}{2} \left(t _ {1} ^ {2} + t _ {1} t _ {2}\right).


Hence, h=g2(t2t1+t2)(t12+t1t2)=g2(t2t12+t1t22)t1+t2=g2t1t2(t1+t2)t1+t2=g2(t1t2)h = \frac{g}{2} \left( \frac{t_2}{t_1 + t_2} \right) (t_1^2 + t_1 t_2) = \frac{g}{2} \frac{(t_2 t_1^2 + t_1 t_2^2)}{t_1 + t_2} = \frac{g}{2} \frac{t_1 t_2 (t_1 + t_2)}{t_1 + t_2} = \frac{g}{2} (t_1 t_2) .

Finally, knowing that t=2hgt = \sqrt{2\frac{h}{g}} , obtain t=t1t2t = \sqrt{t_1t_2} .

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